10/10 would love to shop for Toyotas with

"and 100 more" (nth256) 03/27/2015 at 17:09 • Filed to: None

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Yes, even in a Camry.

(title edited for reasons; hooning is for cars, you can't hoon a human)

HammerheadFistpunch > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 17:15

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Not to drop the serious, but the term "hoon" is really not sitting right with me in this context. Maybe its just me.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 17:18

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who dis is?

and 100 more > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2015 at 17:19

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I see your point. I'm open to suggestions...

and 100 more > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 03/27/2015 at 17:19

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Laurel Coppock, aka the Toyota Lady

HammerheadFistpunch > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 17:22

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Not sure I have any, not sure I disagree on the excellentness of beauty in that picture (thats clearly been photoshoped to be smoother that reality)

Twism > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 17:28

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I hope she is too!

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2015 at 17:31

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I think where it rubs wrong is the the objectification of a woman. So often around here, I hear "the wife" or "the girlfriend." It's kind of folksy, palsy, and relaxed, but it also turns your significant other into something akin to a toaster. This is probably a conversation better fit for Cigar Lounge, but I would encourage people to start saying "my wife" or "my girlfriend" or "my kids." It may seem pedantic, and it will feel funny at first, but it makes a difference.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 03/27/2015 at 17:33

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I hear you, I don't do it very often (ever?) mostly because I hate the sound of it. I think there is a level of jest that's appropriate, and there is a line for when it isn't. Actually, now that I think about it, its never appropriate, just acceptable as in we all accept it to a degree.

and 100 more > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2015 at 17:40

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I dunno, she looks pretty smooth in every picture I've seen.

AddMustard > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 17:57

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NO. NO TOYOTA JAN WHY ????

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/is-anyone-else…

and 100 more > ttyymmnn 03/27/2015 at 18:00

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As long as the mods don't mind, I'm open to discuss this topic.

Well, " the wife" implies she's an object; " my wife" implies that she's under ownership... In that case, which is better? When I was married, I would always refer to her as "my wife" by her specific request, because in her mind, she saw a certain sense of ownership of each other, or an investment partnership in each other. If i were to refer to her as "the wife", she would feel objectified and unimportant.

That said, her ideas of feminism were equal rights, but NOT equal roles, which many feminists seem to think its tantamount to "separate but equal". Her reasoning was that women are people and deserve equal protection under the law; but a man and a woman will never the the same, and we should celebrate (and protect) the things that make up masculine or feminine. I don't think there's a clear default position to take on this; its nuanced by the opinions of the people involved.

Whatever the case, my opinions on marriage are totally different now, and don't involve ownership in the slightest.

Regarding the picture i posted and my intentions to "hoon" Mrs. Laurel Coppock, I concede that yes, this is a form of objectification. My intent isn't malicious, but it doesn't erase the fact that I'm obviously making a sexual reference about her. She's beautiful, and I appreciate her for sharing that beauty with the world as a public figure. In that sense, she is engaging in her own level of self-objectification, in the effort to leverage her beauty and talent as an actress into a career. I don't think my objectification of her is completely out of line with her intent to use her image, but I can also see the arguement that she isn't sexualizing herself, so I may be over the line...

I dunno, I just think she's pretty.

and 100 more > AddMustard 03/27/2015 at 18:02

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Whoa, had to hit the archives for that one! Nice!

ttyymmnn > and 100 more 03/27/2015 at 18:34

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I don't think "my wife" implies ownership in the sense of an object. I think it means that two people (and for the record, I've been married almost 25 years) have entered into a bond whereby you are the sole partner of each other. And I think you and I agree on this point.

And I agree with what your (former?) wife said. But I think that is a topic for another discussion.

I wasn't going after you or your post. Mrs. Coppock is indeed a beautiful woman. But I don't see her as objectifying herself. She's using her personal assets in a way that makes her successful in our society, much in the same way I use my talents as a musician to make money for my family (unfortunately, our society doesn't value my talent as much as it values good looks). And I think we agree there, too.

I guess the awkwardness with using the word "hoon" is the implication that you would be doing all the work, using her for your gratification, rather than having lovemaking be a shared thing between two equally participating individuals. In the context of this blog, I suppose I don't really have a problem with the word "hoon" to mean sex. Riffing on the rating theme makes sense here and I knew exactly what you meant. The issue of "the wife" vs. "my wife" has rubbed me wrong for quite some time, so I replied to Hammerhead and expressed my opinion. I believe conversations like this are important and need to be had. Words, and their subtleties, carry a lot of power, and people need to be aware of how they use them, especially in light of how Oppo is trying to become a more welcoming place to all people, an endeavor that I wholeheartedly endorse.

Forgetful > ttyymmnn 03/27/2015 at 18:39

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You know what matters a lot more than how you might refer to your SO in casual conversation? How you actually treat you SO.

People can have a happy healthy relationship and jestfully refer to their partner in those terms.

I guess what I'm saying is that taking issue with that is in the realm of 'PC police', and if you focus on that you're not properly analyzing the situation.

Not to say that there aren't those who use it in a more derogatory fashion, either, but if that is an indicator of an unhealthy relationship there will be other symptoms too.

ttyymmnn > Forgetful 03/27/2015 at 18:47

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I agree, to a point. It goes back to my point about the subtleties of language, something I mention in my lengthy reply to nth after this post. I'm just suggesting that people should think about the words and their connotations. I had a similar discussion with my older brother some years ago, and he suggested I think about "the" vs. "my." At first, I thought he was just being PC. But the older I get, and the more I thought about it, I think he's right. We may not be overtly objectifying a person, but I think it does imply a perhaps unintended hierarchical positioning of your partner.

Xyl0c41n3 > ttyymmnn 03/28/2015 at 00:51

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Can I just say that I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this discussion you've been having here? I know I'm just a random woman on the internet, but I've got some mad respect for you now. (Not to say I didn't before, mind you). Anyway, thank you.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn 03/31/2015 at 13:00

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Language and it's effects can be interesting. One day when I was (even) younger-er and dumber-er I said to a girl (if she's 18 she's still a girl right? Yes..because 19 is age of majority here) something like "yeah woman" as if I was agreeing with whatever she said.

And she said this was inappropriate and had I insisted on proceeding this ways I should have said "what man?" and then it would have been ok even though she is a woman and not a man.

I digress. I was dumb then. Slightly less dumber now. :D

Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car > and 100 more 03/31/2015 at 14:04

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I like the way your (ex)wife thinks.

I agree the men and women deserve equal rights and protections, but are different and we should use the differences to advantage, not try to remove them and end up with 2 weaker but perfectly "equal" people, rather than two "full' people that are "different".

I don't think I did a good job explaining what I meant, but I hope you understand anyway. :)

and 100 more > Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car 03/31/2015 at 14:22

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No, you're totally clear in your explanation. That's exactly her perspective; she believes that each side can bring out the best in each other. Not that she (or any woman) should be chained to a kitchen all her life, but that we all recognize that there are certain things that women are better at, and that likewise, men should have their own certain advantages recognized as well (which is something she admits is being eroded away by our culture; masculinity is becoming a scapegoat).

Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car > and 100 more 03/31/2015 at 14:42

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Yeah. It's time for people to just accept that some genders and people are better at different things, but not "force" job x on gender b (like not all women are good cooks, nor do they need to be).

Then play to the collective strengths and forget the issues of sax, race, sexual preference, age, and every other one I didn't list, to work together as a society, without the arguing, bickering, and bullshit they we have to deal with all day, every day.

Let people manage their own lives, and make their own decisions. If Couple a is a stay at home wife/mom, and couple b is a stay at home husband/dad, as long as it works for them, it's none of anyone else's business.

Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car > and 100 more 03/31/2015 at 14:43

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And as a side note, I tend to ramble a bit. Sorry for the figurative wall of text and liberal use of commas. :)

and 100 more > Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car 03/31/2015 at 14:48

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Ha! Do not apologize! I'd rather say things in as many words as it takes than try to distill everything down to a TL;DR statement.

Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car > and 100 more 03/31/2015 at 14:51

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Well said. :)

It is necessary to make your point, however many people see the "wall of text" and scroll past.